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and the democrats while only 25% support house speaker john boehner and the republicans. so if there's no deal and the tax hikes and spending cuts take effect, we feel the impact. christine romans sat down with this panel for a report on the bottom line. here's part of the conversation she had with a working mom, small business owner and a woman looking for work. >> i have a household to run. still have rent and bills to pay, and i need help. i need help. >> three kids? >> yeah. >> how old are your kids, 23, 18, and 11. >> what do you tell them when they see the economy in front of them and hear all this fighting in washington about the fiscal cliff. you've been looking for a job for more than six months now. are you more optimistic or less than things will turn around next year? >> i believe it's going to turn around. it will probably take a little time, but i think it will. >> you need the government to help now until that happens? >> yes, i definitely do. >> you just had a baby. congratulations. >> thank you. >> are you concerned about your kid's future in all of this?
and the democrats while only 25% support house speaker john boehner and the republicans. so if there's no deal and the tax hikes and spending cuts take effect, we feel the impact. christine romans sat down with this panel for a report on the bottom line. here's part of the conversation she had with a working mom, small business owner and a woman looking for work. >> i have a household to run. still have rent and bills to pay, and i need help. i need help. >> three kids? >>...
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but republicans have. the president obama's proposals have been anything but balanced. he wants far more in tax hikes than spending cuts and instead of beginning to solve our did you tell probledebt problem, he new stimulus spending and the ability to raise the debt limit whenever he wants without any cuts or reforms. it's clear that the president's just not serious about cutting spending. but spending is the problem. how big a problem? look at this chart put together by paul ryan and budget committee. this line is the current baseline for revenue. here if the president got everything he wanted, over $1.4 trillion in taxes, this is what that would represent. but if you look at the spending problem, you see it does nothing. nothing to solve the spending problem that our country has. republicans want to solve this problem by getting the spending line down. the president wants to pretend spending isn't the problem. that's why we don't have an agreement. the chart depicts what i've been saying for a long time now. washington has a spending problem that can't be fixed with t
but republicans have. the president obama's proposals have been anything but balanced. he wants far more in tax hikes than spending cuts and instead of beginning to solve our did you tell probledebt problem, he new stimulus spending and the ability to raise the debt limit whenever he wants without any cuts or reforms. it's clear that the president's just not serious about cutting spending. but spending is the problem. how big a problem? look at this chart put together by paul ryan and budget...
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they are demanded by republicans and we did notice this. speaker boehner did not reject a vote for the first of the year to prevent the increase on incomes under $250,000 a year. president obama with the brought support of democrats and the public wants to keep them the same and raise rates on the top 2%, the wealthiest americans. he will talk about spending cuts. nice to have you on. >> great to be with you. >> one of your colleagues, they said this is outgoing with the republican of south carolina. he sounds as though he is throwing in the towel. he said president obama will get his wish. higher tax rates for the wealthy. congressman brown, will the president get his wish? >> i think the president wants higher tax rates for everybody. even the lowest paid employees in this country is pushing towards. the problem is not the higher rates and taxes which i totally oppose, we have to talk about spending. spending is the problem and what's going to us off the cliff. it is leading towards a collapse of america that is going to hurt the poorest
they are demanded by republicans and we did notice this. speaker boehner did not reject a vote for the first of the year to prevent the increase on incomes under $250,000 a year. president obama with the brought support of democrats and the public wants to keep them the same and raise rates on the top 2%, the wealthiest americans. he will talk about spending cuts. nice to have you on. >> great to be with you. >> one of your colleagues, they said this is outgoing with the republican...
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republican lawmakers dealing directly with president obama. you never hear them say we want to sit down with democratic lawmakers and hammer out a deal. why is that? >> at this point it appears that the democrats and president are on the same page. there is sort of this strain within republicans, especially between those in the house and the senate over the right approach. they do want to sit down and meet directly with the president and the last indications we got is that there's nothing going on in terms of negotiations while the white house says that the conversations continue, gop aides say saying that there's no phone calls, e-mailing, nothing between them. i think it's a little hard to see how you move this ball forward if the two sides are not negotiating face-to-face. we'll see if the ball can get moved. >> who needs twitter or facebook or a telephone call when you have television? because that's how they seem to be -- >> reporter: you can just walk down the street? >> yes. exactly. >> reporter: dan both general, reporting live from th
republican lawmakers dealing directly with president obama. you never hear them say we want to sit down with democratic lawmakers and hammer out a deal. why is that? >> at this point it appears that the democrats and president are on the same page. there is sort of this strain within republicans, especially between those in the house and the senate over the right approach. they do want to sit down and meet directly with the president and the last indications we got is that there's nothing...
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there's barack obama and john boehner working things out and the republicans realizing that they've got to find a way to negotiate. so silence is golden for christmas season. >> do you agree, ron bonjean? >> yes, i completely agree. i think that silence is best. and right now while they're figuring out how to put a deal together, i think the president softening his rhetoric in michigan on the issue yesterday was extremely helpful. you know, what we are still far apart, as far as we know, on entitlement reform, spending cuts, raising the rates, you know, we've been talking so much about raising taxes that we're not talking a lot about entitlement reform and a lot about spending cuts, and i know that's what it's going to take. there's going to have to be some significant movement on the democratic side for that to occur. so we're hopeful we can see some white smoke out of the white house and the capital this week. you know, if we don't get something by early next week, it's going to be hard to see how they can whip their members into shape and get this done by christmas p christmas. >> an
there's barack obama and john boehner working things out and the republicans realizing that they've got to find a way to negotiate. so silence is golden for christmas season. >> do you agree, ron bonjean? >> yes, i completely agree. i think that silence is best. and right now while they're figuring out how to put a deal together, i think the president softening his rhetoric in michigan on the issue yesterday was extremely helpful. you know, what we are still far apart, as far as we...
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if republicans and democrats agree to go along with the obama administration's plan, just the wealthiest 2% see that tax increase. billionaire ted turner says that's fine with him. you're a successful person. you have many different ventures. do you think you should pay more as a wealthy american? do you think you should pay more taxes? >> yes. >> how much? >> you know, whatever's reasonable. >> whatever's reasonable? we'll find out. plus why he says war is now a thing of the past. my spinterview with ted turner next. all waking up. connecting to the global phenomenon we call the internet of everything. ♪ it's going to be amazing. and exciting. and maybe, most remarkably, not that far away. we're going to wake the world up. and watch, with eyes wide, as it gets to work. cisco. tomorrow starts here. social security are just numbers thinkin a budget.d... well, we worked hard for those benefits. we earned them. and if washington tries to cram decisions about the future... of these programs into a last minute budget deal... we'll all pay the price. aarp is fighting to protect seniors with
if republicans and democrats agree to go along with the obama administration's plan, just the wealthiest 2% see that tax increase. billionaire ted turner says that's fine with him. you're a successful person. you have many different ventures. do you think you should pay more as a wealthy american? do you think you should pay more taxes? >> yes. >> how much? >> you know, whatever's reasonable. >> whatever's reasonable? we'll find out. plus why he says war is now a thing...
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president obama says republicans, they're the ones that need to take the next step here. republicans say no way, ball's in your court, mr. president. >> we can probably solve this in about a week. it is not that tough. >> now we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. now, the revenues we're put on the table are going to come from, guess who, the rich. >> if we can get the leadership on the republican side to take that framework, take knowledge of that reality, then the numbers actually aren't that far apart. >> where are the specifics, where are the discussions? nothing is going on. >> passing middle income tax cut means the end of holding them hostage from tax cuts for the middle -- for the rich. >> i think the next 72 hours are critical. if he sits back and continues to play politics, that will give your answer of where we're going. this is an opportunity for this country to lead. this s this is an opportunity for the president to lead. >> debt ceiling, let's go to the white house, to our chief white house correspondent jes
president obama says republicans, they're the ones that need to take the next step here. republicans say no way, ball's in your court, mr. president. >> we can probably solve this in about a week. it is not that tough. >> now we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. now, the revenues we're put on the table are going to come from, guess who, the rich. >> if we can get the leadership on the republican side to take that framework,...
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the obama administration is fully prepared to go off that fiscal cliff if republicans don't agree to tax hikes on the wealthiest americans. let's bring in congressional correspondent kate bolduan. the white house won't budge on taxes. the republican led house takes a break. can you make sense of this for us? >> i think that's a little above any of our pay grade trying to make sense of it all other than it seems that it's one more fight that we've seen over and over again and we are seeing once again it play out almost as it appears slow motion, carol. you mention the call between speaker boehner and president obama. they may have talked. no read out of the call per se. we are still a long way away from a deal that is for sure. why? because at its most basic neither side is giving on their primary position. president obama continues to insist over and over again any deal must include a tax rate increase on the top 2% of wage earners which republicans just as firmly insist is a nonstarter. today the president is going to continue his public pressure campaign according to the white hous
the obama administration is fully prepared to go off that fiscal cliff if republicans don't agree to tax hikes on the wealthiest americans. let's bring in congressional correspondent kate bolduan. the white house won't budge on taxes. the republican led house takes a break. can you make sense of this for us? >> i think that's a little above any of our pay grade trying to make sense of it all other than it seems that it's one more fight that we've seen over and over again and we are seeing...
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the obama administration says, agrees that law is unconstitutional. that law is now being defended by a lawyer hired by the republicans in the house of representatives. so that -- that is one case. the other case is the proposition 8 case in california. if you recall, california -- there was a referendum -- the california supreme court ruled that there had to be same sex marriage under the california constitution. gay people had the right to get married there for a brief period of time. then there was an initiative put on the ballot, proposition 8, california voted in a close election to overturn same sex marriage. same sex marriage was banned after it was briefly legal. the federal district court had a trial there, and said that law, proposition 8, banning same sex marriage, is unconstitutional. that was affirmed on appeal, that is now appealed to the supreme court and they will now decide whether proposition 8 is constitutional or not. >> when we talk about this as being a historical sort of review, clearly there were different laws passed at the st
the obama administration says, agrees that law is unconstitutional. that law is now being defended by a lawyer hired by the republicans in the house of representatives. so that -- that is one case. the other case is the proposition 8 case in california. if you recall, california -- there was a referendum -- the california supreme court ruled that there had to be same sex marriage under the california constitution. gay people had the right to get married there for a brief period of time. then...
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they don't want to include spending cuts and president obama doesn't think he needs to. if we go over the cliff other polls suggest republicans will get the blame. they have most of the leverage, therefore we don't get to a compromise or a deal. one calf national, republicans recognized this lack of leverage. they looked into 2013 and see a couple months in we have a debt ceiling deal. if we don't do a compromise now we're going to hold you during that debt ceiling debate and get spending cuts out of you then and president obama does not want to relive that 2011 catastrophe, chaos. >> roland, before you go, i didn't hear anything, it was all, it sounded like charlie brown to me after i heard you say roland's right. i don't know if i've ever heard you utter those words, will cain. >> actually he often says that. this is not a shocker. it's not breaking news and exclusive. it happens a lot. >> it's a just in, but go ahead, what were you saying? >> here's the deal, first of all for the audience, we talk about the fiscal cliff, it involves three things. first of all it deals
they don't want to include spending cuts and president obama doesn't think he needs to. if we go over the cliff other polls suggest republicans will get the blame. they have most of the leverage, therefore we don't get to a compromise or a deal. one calf national, republicans recognized this lack of leverage. they looked into 2013 and see a couple months in we have a debt ceiling deal. if we don't do a compromise now we're going to hold you during that debt ceiling debate and get spending cuts...
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republicans as they try to hammer out a deal to avert the country falling off the fiscal cliff. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%. by doing that alone we raise almost trz z $2 trillion. >> increasing rates will hit small businesses that produce 60 to 70% of the new jobs in our country. >> most americans agree with the president. a majority say they are okay with raising taxes on people with incomes over a quarter million a year. this poll is one of three surveys out over the past week and a half to indicate the public gives a thumbs-up to raising taxes on high earners. the polls indicate a big partisan divide with democrats and independents supporting such a move and a majority of republicans opposed. the polls also suggest that most people want cuts in government spending as part of a deal to avert the fiscal cliff. not when it comes to entitlements. according to three new surveys a majority say no to raising the eligibility age for medicare. does the public think politicians in washington will hammer out a deal before the end of the year deadline? americans appear div
republicans as they try to hammer out a deal to avert the country falling off the fiscal cliff. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%. by doing that alone we raise almost trz z $2 trillion. >> increasing rates will hit small businesses that produce 60 to 70% of the new jobs in our country. >> most americans agree with the president. a majority say they are okay with raising taxes on people with incomes over a quarter million a year. this poll is one of three...
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with the white house and republican leaders at a stalemate, president obama is hitting the road to rally support for his plan, which would raise taxes for the wealthiest americans. he met yesterday with house speaker john boehner, their first face to face meeting in more than three weeks. today the president will visit a detroit engine factory to rally support from auto workers. the president's meeting with speaker boehner didn't yield a big breakthrough, but the men did manage to agree on one thing, and that is that they will keep their negotiations behind closed doors. the men released this identical statement, saying this afternoon the president and speaker boehner met at the white house to discuss efforts to resolve the fiscal cliff. we're not reading out details of the conversation, but the lines of communication remain open. cnn's dan lothian is at the white house this morning. dan, i guess the fact that the lines of communication are open is a good sign. >> reporter: that's right. it is a good sign. it was just about a week ago that we were reporting about how nothing was going on
with the white house and republican leaders at a stalemate, president obama is hitting the road to rally support for his plan, which would raise taxes for the wealthiest americans. he met yesterday with house speaker john boehner, their first face to face meeting in more than three weeks. today the president will visit a detroit engine factory to rally support from auto workers. the president's meeting with speaker boehner didn't yield a big breakthrough, but the men did manage to agree on one...
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one of the mistakes i think the republican party made the last two years is trying to make obama the issue without sharing with america bold reform ideas that get people inspired to get behind us. >> senator demint, huge tea party supporter. sometimes clashes with his own party's leadership. he is leaving with four years left in his senate term. earlier, he said he'd retire when the term was up in 2017 but gave no previous indication he might quit now. i want to go to dana bash joining me on the phone here. dana, huge surprise to a lot of people. what's behind the resignation. >> reporter: a huge stunner. nobody saw it coming. i was told by a source close to demint he didn't accept the job until yesterday telling the staff this morning, called the governor in south carolina who, of course, will have to appoint the successor and told the republican leaders here. but look. the reason why it's such a surprise is because demint really has been over the past few years somebody who takes pride in his job. and the role that any one senator can do, which is to gum up the works and very much,
one of the mistakes i think the republican party made the last two years is trying to make obama the issue without sharing with america bold reform ideas that get people inspired to get behind us. >> senator demint, huge tea party supporter. sometimes clashes with his own party's leadership. he is leaving with four years left in his senate term. earlier, he said he'd retire when the term was up in 2017 but gave no previous indication he might quit now. i want to go to dana bash joining me...
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one of the mistakes i think the republican party made the last two years is trying to make obama the issue without sharing with america bold reform ideas that get people inspired to get behind us. >> following the rules of the senate south carolina's governor will be named with an immediate successor to fill demint's seat, and then the state will hold a special election for the voters to choose a permanent replacement. we'll have more at the top of the hour, and also, this story. a brave young boy who lost his home and his school in hurricane sandy. well, he is now talking about coping with life. >> when something brings you down, you got to get up. >> you okay, buddy? >>> one family is doing more than a lot after the tragedy that destroyed tens of thousands of homes on the east coast. [ wh] where do you hear that beat? campbell's healthy request soup lets you hear it... in your heart. [ basketball bouncing ] heart healthy. great taste. mmm... [ male announcer ] sounds good. it's amazing what soup can do. [ woman ] ♪ what i want this season ♪ if you'd like to try and guess ♪ â™
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he campaigned for president obama, and spoke at the democratic national convention. he's now officially a democrat and is widely expected to run for governor again in 2014. >>> south africa's beloved nelson mandela is getting tests in a hospital. the country's president says no cause for alarm there. he says the 94-year-old mandela is getting tests consistent with his age. the nobel laureate became his nation's first black president. >>> the fbi wants to talk to a man in custody in egypt. he's a well known islamic extremist. that's why egypt wanted him taken down. but american terrorist watchers think he might be behind the deadly attacks this year at the u.s. consulate in libya. cnn's susan candiotti has more from new york now. >> investigators have had this man on their radar for some time. and now he's being called a possible suspect in the benghazi attacks. mohamed jamaal abu ahmed was arrested by egyptian authorities a couple of weeks ago. and remains in custody while the investigation goes on. u.s. authorities believe he may have been involved in the september
he campaigned for president obama, and spoke at the democratic national convention. he's now officially a democrat and is widely expected to run for governor again in 2014. >>> south africa's beloved nelson mandela is getting tests in a hospital. the country's president says no cause for alarm there. he says the 94-year-old mandela is getting tests consistent with his age. the nobel laureate became his nation's first black president. >>> the fbi wants to talk to a man in...
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yes. >> president obama wants republicans to sign off on the wealthy tax hike before any negotiations about spending cuts begin. >>> a cloud of political uncertainty hanging over venezuela. president hugo chavez announced that his cancer has return and he's traveling to cuba for surgery for a third time. this time, the 58-year-old leader, named the vice president as his choice to replace him in case something were to happen to happen. >>> a man who shot three people to death on an indian reservation in california has been killed. police near fresno were involved in the shootout with the man who reportedly opened fire earlier on several people, three of whom died. his two young daughters were wounded, and police chased the suspect and said he shot at them, too. no word yet on what prompted his rampage. >>> the national menorah in front of the white house, illuminated tonight, marking the eight-day start of the jewish holiday hanukkah. ♪ of course, no hanukkah celebration would be complete without a spinning draddel. this was performed by the u.s. navy band. >>> the fiscal cliff grabb
yes. >> president obama wants republicans to sign off on the wealthy tax hike before any negotiations about spending cuts begin. >>> a cloud of political uncertainty hanging over venezuela. president hugo chavez announced that his cancer has return and he's traveling to cuba for surgery for a third time. this time, the 58-year-old leader, named the vice president as his choice to replace him in case something were to happen to happen. >>> a man who shot three people to...
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in congress, 27% say president obama. 17% say it's both. what do republicans have in this battle? they really don't have much leverage, do they? >> the democrats faced the same thing in 2000, when george w. bush got elected, they realized they were going to have to scale back and do what he wanted hem to do. they're going to ask for entitle been reform. >> and this is going to happen on december 31st at 11:59? >> boehner and obama are meeting today for a reason because they know they have to do the chest beating inside and out. please, obama's begging, boehner's begging, they're going to finish this up. >>> a popular mexican american singer is missing. she just performed at a concert in mexico last night. what happened after she boarded a plane. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america.
in congress, 27% say president obama. 17% say it's both. what do republicans have in this battle? they really don't have much leverage, do they? >> the democrats faced the same thing in 2000, when george w. bush got elected, they realized they were going to have to scale back and do what he wanted hem to do. they're going to ask for entitle been reform. >> and this is going to happen on december 31st at 11:59? >> boehner and obama are meeting today for a reason because they...
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nothing much going on in public at least as president obama hits the road to campaign for higher tax rates on the rich. the list of pledge signers willing to consider raising taxes on the rich already includes republican senator bob corker of tennessee. not that he or the others you see here really want taxes to go up for anyone, but corker says agreeing to increases for the top 2% shifts the discussion. >> a lot of people are putting forth a theory and i actually think it has merit where you go ahead and give the president the 2% increase that he's talking about, the rate increase on the top 2%, and all of a sudden the shift goes back to entitlements. >> the shift he's talking about is the political pressure to get larger spending cuts which a good many democrats oppose. we'll see how it works out for him because spending cuts are not working out for italy's government. prime minister mario monti announced he would resign after losing support over his austerity moves. a return of political instability there reminds us that europe still faces a lot of hurdles before it comes out of i
nothing much going on in public at least as president obama hits the road to campaign for higher tax rates on the rich. the list of pledge signers willing to consider raising taxes on the rich already includes republican senator bob corker of tennessee. not that he or the others you see here really want taxes to go up for anyone, but corker says agreeing to increases for the top 2% shifts the discussion. >> a lot of people are putting forth a theory and i actually think it has merit where...
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four years and he worked hard to try to help romney get elected, help republicans and it's a source of frustration. a different challenge for him running a major think tank in washington and let's see how he does. >> for the time being it doesn't change the balance of power as the republicans aren't in control of the senate. >> there's a republican governor in south carolina and so she'll name someone in the short-term. i assume that's how it will work. once there's another election, i assume a republican will fill that seat. >> and i know you'll have much more on the fiscal cliff and any developments that hopefully we'll get. we're hoping for something any day. shreds. any shreds that we can get. live starting at 4:00 p.m. eastern. good to see you, wolf. thanks. many of my patients still clean their dentures with toothpaste. but they have to use special care in keeping the denture clean. dentures are very different to real teeth. they're about 10 times softer and may have surface pores where bacteria can multiply. polident is designed to clean dentures daily. its unique micro-clean
four years and he worked hard to try to help romney get elected, help republicans and it's a source of frustration. a different challenge for him running a major think tank in washington and let's see how he does. >> for the time being it doesn't change the balance of power as the republicans aren't in control of the senate. >> there's a republican governor in south carolina and so she'll name someone in the short-term. i assume that's how it will work. once there's another...
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obama, as you know, is standing very firm on the $1.6 trillion in tax hikes. he is offering $400 billion in cuts from the so-called entitlements but also wants to spend $50 billion on infrastructure. mr. boehner, on the other hand, is offering half -- half of what the president's number is on those taxes and not in what you'd say increases. more like closing of loopholes. he also wants much deeper cuts in entitlements and beyond. so we're watching both ends of pennsylvania avenue this hour. we've got dan lothian who is standing pat at the white house to figure out just exactly what the movements are every day. dana bash is on capitol hill. dan, let me start with you. we were just hearing from the president and we were cut off by a nasty satellite. let me talk about these business people and what exactly they can bring to the table because it seems as though he's soliciting them for advice. >> reporter: he is. but at the same time, you brought up a good point, that the president really has been doing a lot of the pressure as opposed to sitting down with lawmake
obama, as you know, is standing very firm on the $1.6 trillion in tax hikes. he is offering $400 billion in cuts from the so-called entitlements but also wants to spend $50 billion on infrastructure. mr. boehner, on the other hand, is offering half -- half of what the president's number is on those taxes and not in what you'd say increases. more like closing of loopholes. he also wants much deeper cuts in entitlements and beyond. so we're watching both ends of pennsylvania avenue this hour....
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. >> president obama wants republicans to agree to the wealthy tax hike before any negotiations about spending cuts begin. >>> just after midnight gay couples living in washington state made history joining in the first legal same-sex marriages in the state. the governor signed the voter approved referendum into law on wednesday. >>> mexican authorities say they have found the wreckage of a small plane believed carrying mexican american singer jenny rivera and six others. the plane had been missing since early this morning. reportedly lost contact with air-traffic controllers after taking off from monterey, mexico. authorities believe no one survived the crash. rivera is the mother of five children. >>> the national menorah in front of the white house was illuminated marking the start of the 5ieight-day jewish holiday hanukkah. ♪ of course, no hanukkah celebration would be complete without a spinning dreidel. this one danced to music performed by the u.s. navy band. >>> all the talk about the fiscal cliff may seem like a far off debate over politics in washington, but the reality is
. >> president obama wants republicans to agree to the wealthy tax hike before any negotiations about spending cuts begin. >>> just after midnight gay couples living in washington state made history joining in the first legal same-sex marriages in the state. the governor signed the voter approved referendum into law on wednesday. >>> mexican authorities say they have found the wreckage of a small plane believed carrying mexican american singer jenny rivera and six...
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sometimes the democrats will have more leverage and sometimes the republicans will have more leverage. >> right. people yell it's not fair, it's not fair, everybody does it. >> it's not four years. we will have a debt ceiling conversation in a few months. you have to remember that this is rapid fire. as soon as we get passed the fiscal cliff, president obama will have to meet again with boehner to discuss the debt ceiling. >>> steven baldwin was arrested and when he was...